Sunday, July 5, 2015

The Reds Franchise Deep Six

Back for another Deep Six, this time for a franchise that was frustrating to compile. The lower levels of several of these positions were so mediocre that trying to pick the right guys was tough. I hate it when it's a close call.


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1stNoodles HahnJohnny BenchJoey VottoJoe MorganHeinie GrohBarry LarkinGeorge FosterVada PinsonFrank Robinson
2ndJim MaloneyErnie LombardiTed KluszewskiBid McPheeTony PerezDave ConcepcionPete RoseEric DavisKen Griffey
3rdBucky WaltersEd BaileyJohn ReillyLonny FreyChris SaboRoy McMillanBob BescherEdd RoushIval Goodman
4thJose RijoBubbles HargraveJake BeckleyBrandon PhillipsTodd FrazierLeo CardenasKal DanielsCy SeymourReggie Sanders
5thFrank DwyerJohnny EdwardsFrank McCormickMiller HugginsHans LobertBuck HerzogCharley JonesBobby TolanCurt Walker
6thEppa RixeyLarry McLeanLee MayJohnny TempleArlie LathamFrank FennellyAdam DunnBug HollidayJay Bruce

Yes, friends, Joey Votto is already the greatest Reds first baseman of all time. First base was a strong position for this franchise, with lots of very good players but few great ones. You have to love the consistency of it. Just missing the cut was "the Mayor," Sean Casey.

Did you realize the Reds haven't had that many dominant pitchers in their history? Now you do. They've never had a Cy Young winner either.

Tony Perez is better known as a first baseman, but his greatest years while playing third base forced me to put him there. Also at the hot corner, Todd Frazier is quickly working his way up the list. Appreciate what you're seeing, Cincy fans. He's a special one.

The most disappointing part of this was Pete Rose. He played all over the field, and I felt that his best years were in left. However, if you rank him purely as a left fielder, he comes in behind George Foster. There was no way he was going to beat out Votto, Morgan, Groh, or Robinson at their positions either. While he may be the ultimate Cincinnati Red, there wasn't a way to get him on the 1st Team. But I suppose Rose has some experience with being excluded.

Saturday, June 27, 2015

The Tigers Franchise Deep Six

Has it been almost a week? Fear not! I have another Deep Six for you! Let's take a look at the Detroit Tigers!


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1stHal NewhouserBill FreehanHank GreenbergCharlie GehringerGeorge KellAlan TrammellBobby VeachTy CobbAl Kaline
2ndTommy BridgesLance ParrishMiguel CabreraLou WhitakerRay BooneDonie BushWillie HortonChet LemonHarry Heilmann
3rdJustin VerlanderJohnny BasslerNorm CashDick McAuliffeBrandon IngeBilly RogellRocky ColavitoAustin JacksonSam Crawford
4thBill DonovanMickey CochraneRudy YorkPlacido PolancoTravis FrymanCarlos GuillenBobby HigginsonCurtis GrandersonKirk Gibson
5thJim BunningMickey TettletonDarrell EvansDamion EasleyGeorge MoriartyTopper RigneyCharlie MaxwellRon LeFloreVic Wertz
6thDizzy TroutIvan RodriguezLu BlueFrank BollingMarty McManusHarvey KuennSteve KempJimmy BarrettMagglio Ordonez

How about those right fielders, eh? The top three are all solid Hall of Famers! After them it's a bit iffy, but Sam Crawford on your 3rd Team? Wow.

Catcher is a bit interesting, because none of the top three are Hall of Famers, but the guy on the 4th Team is, and the guy on the 6th Team probably will be. Drat that lack of longevity!

Third base and left field are probably the weakest positions here. The Tigers have had several fine players at third, but none were great for a long time. Aurelio Rodriguez and Don Wert, the two Tigers with the most games at third base, didn't even make the list. Bobby Veach was an underrated but not great player, but no one else is even close to being the ultimate Tigers left fielder.

Sunday, June 21, 2015

The Giants Franchise Deep Six

And already we have another one! For some reason I got through the Giants pretty quickly. I guess they had so much depth that I didn't feel the need to agonize about the exact rankings as much. For less-deep teams, you have to nitpick which player is less mediocre than the other. Let's see how the Giants come out:

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1stChristy MathewsonBuck EwingRoger ConnorJeff KentArt DevlinArt FletcherBarry BondsWillie MaysMel Ott
2ndAmos RusieBuster PoseyWillie McCoveyFrankie FrischMatt WilliamsGeorge DavisGeorge BurnsGeorge Van HaltrenBobby Bonds
3rdCarl HubbellRoger BresnahanBill TerryLarry DoyleJim Ray HartTravis JacksonMonte IrvinBobby ThomsonMike Tiernan
4thJuan MarichalChief MeyersJohnny MizeRobby ThompsonFreddie LindstromDave BancroftKevin MitchellBrett ButlerJack Clark
5thMickey WelchTom HallerWill ClarkDanny RichardsonPablo SandovalAl DarkJo-Jo MooreBenny KauffRoss Youngs
6thTim KeefeHarry DanningOrlando CepedaRon HuntHank ThompsonDick BartellGary MatthewsFred SnodgrassFelipe Alou


First base and pitcher were the truly outstanding positions here. Right field and shortstop weren't too shabby either.

While Frankie Frisch and George Davis were greater players than Jeff Kent and Art Fletcher, respectively, they ended up on the 2nd team due to the fact that their resumes at those positions as members of the Giants weren't quite as good. Frisch spent a lot of his best years with the Cardinals, and Davis his with the White Sox.

Left field and center field were impressive for the dropoffs after the 1st Team. It's not just that the guys on the 1st Team were each arguably the greatest ever at their position (though that helped), but that Georges Burns and Van Haltren were not even borderline greats.

As with several other franchises we've seen so far, we have an active player working his way toward the top at one position. Can Buster Posey eventually become the Giants' #1 all-time catcher? He'll have to keep producing for several more years, but it's hardly out of the question.

Saturday, June 20, 2015

The Twins Franchise Deep Six

As I mentioned in my Orioles Franchise Deep Six post, this one was going to be strange. The Minnesota Twins are a continuation of the old Washington Senators, but they have a completely different identity. As such, it's a tad odd to see Twins greats mixed with old Senator greats. Them's the rules though, so enjoy it for what it is.


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1stWalter JohnsonJoe MauerHarmon KillebrewRod CarewEddie YostJoe CroninGoose GoslinKirby PuckettTony Oliva
2ndBert BlylevenEarl BatteyKent HrbekChuck KnoblauchCorey KoskieCecil TravisHeinie ManushClyde MilanSam Rice
3rdJohan SantanaButch WynegarJoe JudgeBuddy MyerGary GaettiGreg GagneRoy SieversTorii HunterBob Allison
4thBrad RadkeMuddy RuelMickey VernonBucky HarrisEddie FosterGeorge McBrideGary WardStan SpenceTom Brunansky
5thCamilo PascualBrian HarperJustin MorneauRay MorganOssie BluegeRoy SmalleyLarry HisleJimmie HallJohn Stone
6thFrank ViolaRick FerrellChick GandilBrian DozierBuddy LewisZoilo VersallesJacque JonesSam WestMatt Lawton


Though he no longer plays catcher, we got to see something truly special with Joe Mauer behind the plate. It's a real shame he needed to be moved to first base. A.J. Pierzynski just missed the cut. I chose Ferrell for the 6th Team only because he played for the franchise a bit longer.

Second base was surprising to me. I didn't think Brian Dozier in his brief career had done enough yet to show up in the keystone column, but there truly wasn't anyone more deserving that I could find. For all those fine players, there wasn't a lot of depth beyond them.

I named Corey Koskie this franchise's all-time third baseman a few years ago, but upon revisiting the numbers, I think you have to go with the Walking Man, Eddie Yost. His longevity is just too great a factor, even if Koskie at his best was a little better. It's no insult to be on the 2nd Team, Corey.

Tuesday, June 16, 2015

The Phillies Franchise Deep Six

Franchises that haven't historically been cloaked in glory are often more interesting to me than those that have. The Phillies are one such franchise. They've had their periods of prominence, but they've generally experienced more downs than ups. Today we're going to look at their positional depth chart.


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1stPete AlexanderJack ClementsJohn KrukChase UtleyMike SchmidtJimmy RollinsEd DelahantyRichie AshburnBobby Abreu
2ndRobin RobertsDarren DaultonRyan HowardNap LajoieDick AllenLarry BowaSherry MageeRoy ThomasJohnny Callison
3rdSteve CarltonCarlos RuizDolph CamilliDave CashScott RolenDave BancroftDel EnnisLenny DykstraChuck Klein
4thJim BunningAndy SeminickFred LuderusJuan SamuelWillie JonesBob AllenGreg LuzinskiGarry MaddoxGavvy Cravath
5thCole HamelsSpud DavisVon HayesTony TaylorPinky MayGranny HamnerPat BurrellBilly HamiltonSam Thompson
6thCurt SchillingBob BooneDon HurstOtto KnabePinky WhitneyMickey DoolinMorrie ArnovichCy WilliamsElmer Flick


The Phillies are surprisingly strong at pitcher and in the outfield. In center and right fields, respectively, Shane Victorino and John Titus were fine players who just missed the cut.

Left field was a funny one. The top five were easy choices (as well as the franchise's top five in games played at the position), but after that the cupboard was pretty bare. I went with Arnovich on the 6th Team only because he had some degree of longevity, but he's hardly a clear-cut choice. There were plenty of other unnotables who could've been argued for.

The Phillies have never had an all-time great catcher, as you can see, but they've had a lot of good ones. That spot on the 6th Team came down to Boone, Clay Dalrymple, and Mike Lieberthal, and it was almost a coin-flip. The catcher on the 1st Team, Jack Clements, is sadly underrated.

The infield is an area where the Phillies are surprisingly weak. Chase Utley was so far and away the top choice at second base it was almost laughable. Nap Lajoie was an immortal, but his time with the Phillies was relatively brief, and before he blossomed into a legend. Third base and shortstop are both top-heavy.

It might be hard for some people to believe, but the Phillies have never had a truly great first baseman. Ryan Howard may have the longevity there, but John Kruk, in his brief-but-glorious run as Phillie first-sacker, was simply a better player.  And after them, there's not a whole lot to get excited about. Any young, talented first baseman who wants to be on some franchise's 1st Team should try to find his way to Philadelphia.